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all right so just so everybody is aware uh by law we do have to record these meetings um they'll be uploaded on the district's website um so yeah this meeting is called to order and we'll begin with saying the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands 1 nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all okay so welcome to the school health advisory councils today is December 4th and this meeting is being recorded which is uh by law that all checks do for anybody who's new and a guest uh Texas law requires every school district to have a shack Shacks review health related issues and provide recommendations to the school board um today we have some guests joining joining us and if after you decide that you want to join a new Texas law effective September requires that schools um boards are the 1 to appoint members so if you're interested I can add you to the next board meeting um which is in January because they're going to be having their meeting actually for December on Monday and there's not enough time to get on to the agenda so if you're interested I can add you in for the January and you'll be ready for February meeting um so thank you so much for joining us today and we hope that you decide to join okay uh this part right here is um item number 4 it's cinnamon s citizen comments um is there anyone here that has a citizen comment and and you can either choose to speak now um or when the item comes up on the agenda if if your item is on the agenda which yours is okay I'll just wait okay and did you want to speak on behalf or anything okay all right um in your packets we have uh the minutes from September 4th I meant to email those out in advance but they're pretty short if you want to take a a glance over at them we can um get those approved unless you see any changes I we approve the minutes okay so Rick has motioned for approval can I get a second okay Haley seconds it um all of those in favor say I I anyone opposed hey No 1 is opposed the minutes passed um next on the agenda item is number 6 which is discuss and review the Middle School seal um for our Shack members um last month everyone was sent a access code to review Second Step curriculum um this is something that we'll get to have us you know we can put forth um a recommendation to the school board um either approval or what um I don't know we have you know we have Miss  here today she's very familiar with it and you're familiar with it would you guys like to speak on behalf of second step and and what what it's all about for any of us that don't know so um this is my fourth year as counselor at troop Middle School um it was being taught before I came so it's something that I didn't like come up with or you know whatever it's something that was already implemented um and so for the past 3 years um I have taught the fifth grade curriculum to the sixth graders because um which I mean I'm still teaching that but that's the only part that was being taught was the fifth grade curriculum to the sixth graders um at the end of the year last year uh Miss viewed Mr Mack and I were talking about ways to um get more character instruction to for our team and um we talked about so they had asked me about um a curriculum that I may know of well just last year or up until last year they only had kindergarten through fifth grade well last year they got sixth grade all the way through 12th grade so whenever I heard about that I was excited I was like well maybe I can start teaching the sixth grade curriculum well the sixth grade curriculum is a little bit different from the fifth grade and I really think that the fifth grade curriculum does a job of teaching the things that Texas takes expected to teach so um so we talked about having the sixth grade teachers teach the sixth grade curriculum to the sixth graders during tiger time seventh grade during tiger time 8th grade you're starting time to time so I only teach the fifth grade curriculum and so I'm most familiar with that because this is my fourth year to teach it you know all the way through from lesson 1 to 22 so anyway anything you want to add yes I want to just kind of throw this out there you know there's a couple of different things that we have to look at as we go through um plan for development work with the kids on so 1 of the things that we operate off of is the Texas Essential Knowledge skills and I know last time I was able to speak we talked about like the seventh grade teaches and by law we have to provide from the state of Texas these teaks instruction in our classroom 1 of the things over the years uh that we've started to to see is changes within the schools as they're requiring us to teach uh and and incorporate as part of a comprehensive counseling program um you know a method for us to be able to teach those kids to some of these teams and so when she teaches the kids in 63 There are some Civics teaches that exists in that sixth grade social studies class that align with some of this uh comprehensive counseling program that exists so as we've gone through this you know and there's some information that we brought for you all for you guys to take a look at and review um we've got the tags for uh the conference of counseling program that we're required by law to teach um we also have a lot of the Second Step information here as well um 1 of the items that we have uh from a second step is it's got a spreadsheet that's available that's got all of the Texas teaks that are listed um and stuff like that and it's got a uh check box underneath each 1 1 of the lessons that kind of shows where each 1 of those takes are provided to the students during these lessons um we have been made aware about some concerns that exist uh from a social emotional learning stand regarding the second step program and there was a when I did some uh pretty in-depth research uh regarding the second step program uh there was some information from a website it's called Utah parents united.org and it's um geared towards looking at social emotional learning and some concerns that parents had in the state of Utah and so their information that I was looking at regarding Second Step was back from 2021 and there was an update that was done in 2022 uh and so we started diving into that pretty deep um after we were made aware of the that concern we of course wanted to make sure that some of those pretty big concerns that existed within that you call parents United Coalition we wanted to make sure that those things were not included in the Second Step curriculum what we've determined so far in second step is we haven't seen anything that's listed specifically as concerns on this document from Utah parents uh uh United in any of the lessons that we've gone back and individually reviewed and we miss good Miss and I have all done a pretty deep dive into those uh different things 1 of them uh was a specific website that was listed I believe it was in lesson number 21 in the eighth grade curriculum um and I I off the top of my head I can't quote the website specifically uh love is respected love is respect.org that web is not in that lesson in the eighth grade curriculum at all um I will say this um I think over the last several years we have seen a um a shift in some of those uh standpoints and viewpoints and I I'm kind of in in the back of my mind wondering if there was some sort of other curriculum that existed maybe specifically for Utah schools or maybe something that parents could subscribe to with second step that had those lessons in there for those age levels where the students if that makes sense so what we're seeing here is there there are still uh several school districts in Texas that are using Second Step as a part of that there's a couple other programs to um that some school districts are using to provide education for that comprehensive counseling program if that makes sense and so um anyway as we've looked into it we haven't found any of those significant concerns and and like I said as I've done if you guys have feedback I'd love to to receive that as well because I'd like to look into some more of that but I haven't seen any updates post 2022 where there's been concerns about the second step program so um those are kinds of things that that we've talked about I have visited with our uh especially our eighth grade features you know just I wanted to ask them a question hey how would you handle if you saw some you know questionable content that you were concerned about that might lead even lead the kids in some inappropriate directions as far as having some conversations cuz I'll tell you to reverting back to we talked about the seventh grade science curriculum um there are things about reproduction and human anatomy that are required to be taught but anything outside of that what we tell the kids is to further your parents if you got any 100 questions about that stuff we don't sit there and try to have those types of conversations with our students and I can say with pretty good amount of confidence I don't think that any of our teachers did I feel felt better after talking to our infrared teachers too because every single 1 of them did say Mr Macklin are not going to let any kind of conversation stations go sideways and we're not going to you know um talk about or discuss anything that would be remotely inappropriate so um I don't know if there's any been other concerns that have been raised but maybe we could talk about that for just a second if there's yeah yeah so so um so I do really I really really really appreciate you guys giving the access code because um it's a lot it is a lot um that the school has acquired through it and everybody does inside of their packet they do have a copy of what are the the Curious the character traits that the Tikes require um and so there's a list of those and also in there you'll notice it says um the State Board education School District in open enrollment charter schools are required to provide instruction in the teaches for positive character traits and personal skills at least once during each of the following grades uh bands um and then it lists you know School both may provide a required instruction or wait May provide the required instruction in a variety of Arrangements including through a standalone course which I think is what second step is or by integrating the positive character trait standards in the tags for 1 or more courses or subject areas at the appropriate grade level so you know it's although this is required of course um it's optional on how its prevented to to children and you know truth has decided to have a standalone curriculum that they outsourced and and it does there it does absolutely check all of the boxes um but I think that it also does a lot of additional things as well um so I have a very I have a very long thing but I'm going to try to shorten it down I'm so sorry in advance and I'm going to try to do it I'm a pretty fast talker okay so please please forgive me um so first I want to start off by saying that I acknowledge the challenging time that the Middle School the middle school middle schoolers can be in for kids for me personally it was the hardest years of my life bullies and self harm were a part of my middle school experience and as some of you know been in Middle School in my community was affected by school shooting at the high school done by 15 year old I also had an upgraded friend commits suicide the minds of teens are fragile and should be supported and protected I am not against kids learning character traits kindness and empathy and compassion and self-management skills which is required by the cheeks and and then I mentioned that you all have the The Haven when we're reviewing the Second Step curriculum I felt felt it was important to understand who is behind the creation of Second Step what I found was that it was developed by an organization called committee for children committee for children has been working out of the Northwest for over 45 years and is where I'm from According to the Mental Health America data of the Northwestern States they have the 13th 12th 5th and 3rd place rankings for the worst mental health in you seeing firsthand the Mental Health crisis and Oregon I can confirm this is accurate inaccurate reflection um it's common to see trans toddlers they are analyzed along with class toddlers like that's that is that is normal like you said something before oh sorry um I said okay sorry let me uh according to the mental health American good data the Northwestern states which is where I'm from and this curriculum is from they have the 13th the 12th the 5th and the third place rankings for the worst mental health in the youth so the Northwest has got these 4 big States right there the first hand the Mental Health crisis in Oregon I can confirm that this is an accurate reflection trans toddlers are normalized along with classes that have variance and does anyone know what a theion is no no so the are people that identify as animals so I have friends that their kids are going to school with boxes wolf packs cats things like that um 1 in 10 kids are currently identifying AS lgbtq Plus Oregon and that's where I'm from and and schools are busing kids to Pride events and providing clothing closets for kids to change on campus and dress trans behind parents backs when searching for schools parents often look for which schools have the lowest room clearing does anybody know what a room clearing is here okay so room clearing is a room that needs to be cleared when a child is allowed to destroy a classroom because the teachers and even urinate in the room to work through their emotions you know I've I've I used to volunteer in my son's class and this was we would have to do this we would have to move over to a neighboring class while someone flipped over desks and just had a total meltdown ripping stuff off of the room and that's really like parents like on playground you know we would talk about you know which school we're moving our kids to because they have less of those um anyways resulting in the rest of the class to clear the room to move to another teacher's room organ also ranks fourth and highest for homeless per capita yet committee for children and other social emotional learning creators like character strong also used by troop have been in the area and the school system for decades committees for children's mission statement states that they want to equipped Educators families and communities with tools to create safer and more supportive environments so I have just a little tiny clip here of just kind of an example of what they mean by equipped um um there is committee for children is very active on on the internet uh they are they are everywhere they have um I don't know you might have seen they have a podcast they put out where they interview different um different people a lot of times it will be people that represent the lgbtq community they talk about how they plan to incorporate it how they can support it a Dei I I understand I just I just wanted to say like I'm not familiar with committee for children I knew that they're the ones that created the second step program but I'm not familiar with it um I'm just familiar with curriculum because like I said I you know it's grandfathered into it or whatever absolutely absolutely absolutely and you know and a lot of I mean I'm I'm only deep diving into this because I've seen this happen I this is this where I'm from it's a completely different world I feel like I'm you know 15 20 years from the future and I'm coming in like the British are coming the British are coming it's you know there is other curriculum out there so are you saying that they are that away in Oregon because of this program being taught I would say that because we have places like committee for children they are all about affirming uh they want to um well here's a clip this is just kind of like a little bit of where their views kind of land and they basically they want to they their goal is to have children become activists and you know um all the time and empowering little Minds to yeah and we're talking about mountains and being independent I mean I'm reading it in what they say here the independent and stuff like that which all sounds really great but these young ages you know we don't want them to be so it depends whether we focused on what Mr Mack wants him to do at school and complete their homework and maybe absolutely maybe let some of that stuff come with life experience exactly you know right now my son just competed in his first UIL right um and he was doing it on speech and you know his topic but you know they gave him some topics to choose from and and he picked do social influencers have too much power you know and so he starts communist research on it and you know you have kids that are eating Tide Pods because somebody told them to yeah I mean kids are so multiple and impressionable and I mean there's even challenges on there that kids are killing themselves over so you know the committee for children if you do any research on them at all they are very open about what they want and what they want to see in the future and so um a lot of it is you know they are heavy into Dei they uh work actively in creating policies as a legislative level um that support social emotional learning and Dei being merged uh they support critical race Theory they're just you know in Oregon this is perfect and it checks they are organ also has their own set of expectations and so you can go in and you can look at all the states right mhm all the boxes are being checked for Oregon too so anyway so let me just show you this little clip I don't know if if you want to just listen um this is just 1 but there is oops wrong spot I just want you to look at that so we've already but it's obviously required right we have to do these things and then it's up to the school district to figure how to do these things right and then rather than burdening our teachers with more content right the idea is we find a partner to deliver this stuff to us so it's like we can meet our needs right well and here we chosen this or we've done it we have been using it for years oh okay yeah like I said I it was being used before I came in this is my fourth year and we considering making a change or I just I mean that's what we're here right now I mean and and I guess my question would be like what's the alternative you know well there are other Alternatives um there are other ones that you know obviously they would need to be bedded as well but there are other things um out there um you know and I I can definitely provide a list that is you know more maybe in line with the values that this community represents um but can still meet those cheeks requirements for sure but um can I ask you a quick question just like based on like let's say to hit the school pride 1 because I think if anybody's been around troop like there's a huge amount of crime right and most of all the students right and so you know supporting the local like the football team or supporting the whatever you know what I mean like is that not achieved well that's kind of what how can you show the state that you're meeting well exactly hey we showed them a video or so in in my opinion and I'm just kind of throwing information out there but regardless because you know we can definitely have a conversation about this for sure um if if we don't find another curriculum at some point in the future if there's something we need to have some conversations about that is something that has to be created by somebody to make sure that those cheeks are fulfilled you know so it has to be a hard and fast instructional yes we yes we've got to be able to show the curriculum there where you're using the supports the instruction that's taking place in that classroom let me know and check all the ones it's not like you can just say you're good so kind of to to like yeah which was that easy there are schools that have ended up doing that and a lot of schools in Utah obviously ended up doing that as well when everything kind of went down and so um but yeah you kind of just have to show that you check these boxes why don't we just write 1 maybe we could well you know and we we actually I'm not sure I'm not 100% sure but like is this something that maybe Cooksey could look at I don't not sure if that would be something that would be in in his role um you know it's based off like creating a curriculum or yeah yeah I mean I'm just basing it off of like what his you know title is um here with the district I don't really fully know I know he's doing a lot of data stuff um yeah I you know that would be something I mean I don't know well and I think as far as like creating a curriculum it would probably have to be somebody that had more experience in that curriculum um so like you know Miss Knight and she and Miss Martin have a lot more experience than I of course and you do too as well and and that's something but that's that I you know as a first grade teacher I hated curriculums they never met my students needs the way that I needed them so I was always like you know when it came to a curriculum it was like I would take the bones right and add to me you so I so you're doing it yourself anyways really yeah I mean I mean honestly because I've never met a curriculum that was perfect you know that so that that would be neat if you could actually just take the good stuff yes and the problem is put your own together time like like that sounds right up my alley I would think that's why we're here to help you like that but but there are other you know I'm so 1 of the things that I'm really you know 1 of my passions is you know parents rights and education and so there are I can guarantee that there are other curriculums out there that I already checked are on price point with what we would spend um you know I I reached out to um you know accounting and everything like that to to kind of see and love to get those as well cuz like I said I just came into it and it was already here and so if there's better stuff out there I would love to explore it absolutely I really I really appreciate it the fact that we're having this conversation is amazing so it makes true such awesome place to God is so good you know I before any of this you know it's just kind of like I don't even know if I don't know if anybody's going to come I don't know you know like and even that we have a show like a few years ago we didn't have a check at all and now look how many people that we have here talking about mental health for our kids you know we don't want to move anymore yeah exactly don't run from it anymore yeah that's exactly the the same thing for me uh you know I want to place where my children can get their roots in and not I believe it you know I mean if you can't be in Tech that's where can in my opinion like where are you going to go like I don't know Texas Texas everything just for just for this year because this is established and we've already all signed the paperwork that we're okay with our kids watching this and whatnot and you guys said that you've gone through everything and you're not seeing the same issues is there an issue with seal or just that it comes from the committee for children good question okay I agree so social emotional learning um Can is I don't I personally think social emotional learning is fine and I think that you know if it's taught the right way and not in a way that's going to manipulate children I think that it does have a lot of value um to support mental health you know but you know we're we're in front from you know that's why I I you know I don't know if you've ever heard but like you know when I had reached out about to the school about the tele Health counseling that was you know I want to know who's bringing in tele health why are we getting it for the price that we're getting it for it which was free you know like you know what's who's behind that you know that's what I want you know those are things that I I dig into and you know I know it really irritates people and I don't mean to offend anybody and that I don't trust it's just well actually I don't trust I I've been um you know I've lost my trust because because of my experiences unfortunately you know and but it's nothing personal about the individual so concerning the the current curriculum that you guys have been doing for a while do you guys in your experience as Educators has there been push back from parents like kids come home and says we learned da da da today and then the parent goes what the  are you teaching my kid so so my son who is 15 now in uh he's a sophomore he actually got the second step fifth grade curriculum when he was in sixth grade the year before I came um and so but you know I had a 63 boy who told me nothing like I had no idea that he was learning any of this you know until the next year and I was like hey why didn't you tell me about any of this you know so like from that from my own personal experience you know maybe it's different having a girl um a girl girls probably tell her mom's more than what we do you know um I have a 6 year old girl so it's definitely different but um but I never there was never anything that he did that I questioned like what where is he or anything like that you know but that's just my personal experience and no do you school I will say you know um of course I came here and I think it was 2016 you know it was a band director and jumped in an assistant principal and it was being utilized when I came in as assistant first I haven't received or heard of any complaint about Second Step at all and like I said going back to the the program and I'm going to give you a lot of information to I don't have a lot of purview of the committee for at all as an organization you know uh the only thing I have more purview about is the the second step is a curriculum you know I can imagine that um you know I did take a trip to Seattle and you know was up in the Northwest year was right after they shut down downtown if that makes sense yeah so um anyway uh I I can see that the political environment there is a lot different than it probably is here in East Texas is that makes sense so um anyway I I don't know anything much about the organization um what I will say is um we haven't had any complaints or anything about the types of things that the kids have been learning and you know I I will say 1 of the things that I have seen a little bit more now I will tell you if you come hang out with us for a day at the middle school you know 6th 7th and 8th grade it's kind of a it's a unique environment at times if that makes sense you know we do a lot of learning and growing together but um over the years I've seen a lot more kindness spend a lot more concern for others that has stemmed as a result of incorporating some of these skills and this packet that we just handed out to you it's a list of the grade levels and all of the lessons that exists uh in each 1 of the um grade level uh courses um you know and I'll give you an example you know I get to school about 7:00 in the morning and you know I'll go up to the uh cafeteria and start setting up a chairs as the kids get ready to come in 1 of the coolest things that I've seen over the years with the kids is they start to take initiative to help us others out just just wanting like and you know 1 of the things that I've seen is you know if there's 2 or 3 kids that are starting to come in you know before I walked in at 7:00 they're already starting to set chairs out and stuff like that you know walking around looking at the kid you know 1 of them grabbed a piece of trash off the floor in the hallway and or help clean the cafeteria up a little bit those are the things and you know um we had a kid too uh I can go into a super a lot of detail about it but um he needed some transition assistance from the 1 from class to class and there were several kids that hey can I help with that and you know it was really cool to kind of see them jump in but a lot of that comes from I think some of the awareness that they get through uh some of these different um counseling um you know cheeks that they want to so these the 10 things right here that you say that we're I mean we're teaching yeah they're really I mean they're they are good um and you know picky and you know to video in there that you know has kids picking up trash at lunch to help a janitor and things like that so you know you know that totally aligns you know and I'm not saying that there are you know but there's not that there's not that the whole thing is bad that's not at all what I'm saying there are are good things in there it's not like some of the ideals of the American organization yeah yeah exactly um so uh anyways okay so let me play this little video this gives you a little more insight to committee for children um this is just 1 video it kind of just kind of it's basically just some Dei stuff okay everyone you can in the past year our country and the world have been rocked by global pandemic our Reckoning related to racial Justice and equity and the divisive presidential election here in the United States these events further exposed existing disparities and inequities and access to Quality education and culturally responsive curricula as well as the profound impact of police ality and systemic racism on the lives of black indigenous and other children of color for us at committee for children they brought into focus and important question you know that FTP how can we create a safe peaceful and more just world for every child especially those most marginalized a world where every child has access to an education that is effective for and representative of diverse identities and cultures at committee for children our vision and our mission are at the heart of everything we do but we cannot truly achieve our aspirations without centering our work in diversity Equity inclusion and belonging we've committed ourselves to continuous learning and Improvement we plan to continue responding to the needs of children educators families and communities we serve and those we hope to serve and we will amplify and Elevate the voices that must be heard today we invite you to join us on this Learning Journey our vice president of Education and then because I was watching a recording and I'm screen recording my my thing you have to wait till I find my next little spot in there to highlight um but you know I mean Dei on the surface level it sounds really good um for a quick fixes strategy checklist tell me what to do we have to do deep work um and along with that comes talking about whiteness talking about white supremacy culture and how it shows up and impressive ways um and so Jason's point not just via a book club um and we have to do so simultaneously in a way that dissenters whiteness contradictory as that may sound um but provides healing and validating spaces for beepo in this work it's just a huge critique of of Dei work and primarily white spaces which most of our schools are um even in this they this this lady who's was just speaking she says that you know whoever is teaching things things you know we if we you know if this is how we're going to be moving in this direction idea and I think you know and a lot of spaces seal was promoted as like this is how you can get kids to comply this is going to be your behavior management program this is going to get kids scores to go up so we were looking at all the things that to to me really don't matter as far as how we're going to educate students so if you take that compliance and management um out of there and look at how can we teach kids to be of Standards how can we teach kids to advocate for themselves and so with that student voice is is really important because I mean we won't know how to me as a almost 40 year old woman is not going to know how to teach a child or or a teenager how to advocate for cells they really need to bring that lens so I love how Moline shared that they're coming up with a definition of wellness and so um I think that's 1 Thing That Educators and stakeholders can do is to really think about how can we center student voices how we um look at that with that lens instead of saying how can we get kids to sit still in class so they can do their work and get good grades and all that stuff because that you know that compact idea is not going to help them in the real world with need out of out of the box thinking they'll need to get along with people who are you know different than them um and so I think that's kind of the way to to go with it um too and I think having SEO to where they can have the skills to talk about those issues I know in my district we have um racial literacy lessons which gives them the they talked explicitly about race um and then it kind of we uh join that with our seal which gives them the tools the the responsible decision-making the relationship skills all those different things to have those tough conversations so I think sometimes we we don't give kids enough credit they're they're ready for this this talk and this is kind of a good example of like you know obviously you guys providing that in advance or something like that to pick joining me and sharing their expertise thank you all for watching thank you to Tia and all of our panelists building a world where children especially those most historically and systemically analyze can live and Thrive that is not a vision that can be accomplished alone it will take Collective action and accountability to dismantle systemic racism and Foster a culture of belonging a culture where differences are Incorporated instead of feared and where compassion is the norm not the exception if you're not sure where to start I invite you to visit cfch orgi there you'll find social emotional learning resources and ideas for how you can help be the change that you hope to see and you mentioned in there too um 1 of the speakers like if it's not being you know if it's not being taught properly you can keep the the child as an oppressed child you know instead of looking at them through through a different lens you you just put just all the trauma onto them and that's and it creates depression by you know it's a cycle and then we have the oppressors the you know that they're talking about that they want to dismantle and everything we're talking about children here too so um you know committee for children their big thing is they want to create these children to you know become little activists you know and they showed imagery of you know the black life movement um which was really radical in in where I'm from and uh you know got the FTP signs that they're holding up I mean this is this is um a little bit of like who they are and they want that to be through their work for children yeah can I ask a quick question of course I didn't want to clarify too I want to Seattle to go hike Mount right near by the way but anyway that's why I was there um yeah it was pretty cool I need to just to see the air on that um so I noticed the first thing that they said and and the video was that in the past year when experienced the pandemic so that does fit that timeline of 2021 2022 that we were talking about has there because like I said the political environment Nationwide here has started to to shift again right has committee for Children released recent videos currently like in in 2524 I missed all this still supporting those types of things well they are still very active in like legislation and um yeah I mean they there is they have a very big social media presence there's like I said they have a kindness podcast where they invite guests I mean they are very active that speaker that was doing that she is um she is part of the lgbtq there's a whole video on her and her activism she's still the current head honcho of of community for children and I've looked at their executive board I've gone through their Twitters I've gone through you know I mean they're all very you know very you know liberal I guess is you know is what I would say they're they're very all very very little you know so is the district updating I mean you said you've been teaching this for 4 years and it was there when you you got here okay so we're not they're not updating what they're teaching this was like purchased at some point yeah let me let me kind of clarify that too I'm jumping on the correct me while I'm on we've been implementing the fifth grade curriculum the the big concern that we have seen when I've gone back and looked at the concern was just specifically targeting and centered around the eighth grade curriculum okay um the uh 6 uh fifth grade sixth grade and seventh grade I haven't found any evidence that there's to to support that there was any issues with those curriculums um it was just the eighth Break um in particular I also want to add um that up until last year there was no 6th grade 7th grade 8th grade curriculum that we can access that we so I feel like maybe there are like second step has like different things for different states and so this is just their Texas you know because we teach fatigues where we don't whatever the organ you know standards are um because when I'm sorry it says it goes up to grades 9 through 12 in these blocks are we teaching the sixth grade career what's what's going on for those kids the older kids for 9 through 12 yeah or for 7 and 8 were they getting the sixth grade too or no they're getting the seventh and eighth grade because we just purchased the seventh and eighth grade this is a priority what were the older kids doing prior to purchasing speak to the hospital but they don't have second step I don't look at the hospital no they don't um so 7th and eighth grade I would go in monthly and do um my classroom guidance okay once a month but it had nothing to do with second stuff it was you know teacher or created by me or stuff that I've bought off of Teachers Pay Teachers actually most of it I bought off of Teachers Pay Teachers and then um kind of reorganized it to fit our our records and do they still have to because it says you know once during each of the following grade bands they have to have these communication so there must be something just a freshman Year everybody who's coming through you know or just senior year or whatever are those kids still getting like health or are they getting any kind of this um so in in the high school of course I'm not like the only reason I know this is because I've had a high schooler um but they do have a health class that they take I can't speak much on the curriculum that they teach um but they do have a health class that all students are required to take I just asked because like the shack is supposed to advise on all of them right so and point out just based on what I've read There is this going to be kindergarten all the way through now is that what's going on no sir so it says grades it says adopted for children so yeah you know just to teach so we have to supplement this for kindergarten through 12 the the 6 exists yeah as a as part of a comprehensive counseling program and there are Peaks that have to be taught at all grade levels now we're prepared to talk about first the middle school as a former first grade teacher and as a first grade teacher before we had a counselor at the middle school I taught those here in social studies because that was the most closely related so you you know we have someone like you that's managing like how do we actually implement this and how are we actually tailor it to our so it's not just something that we purchase you don't just hit play on the video and let it run yeah no no there's a I think you you know I've seen some signs of good positive uh kid experiences with you know the schools like you know being friendly to others or working out problems or getting along really well like so I'm scared about a lot of these issues too but I think you guys have been well thank you managing it pretty well we try our best now like I said you know we're human beings but we're not perfect but you know we really do try our hardest to make sure that our kids are taking care of um so to speak on the actual curriculum and to step away from who's created the curriculum um I have spent issue okay so total we have 130 lessons and we have an additional 65 advisory activities that were also part of this package plus there's some other mindful Yeti stuff I went through that as well that was like an additional I don't even know 50 or 60 like lessons on that too but turned out we didn't use that so that was kind of a waste of my time but sorry no that was totally fine I should have asked and then I afterwards but um and I still though I have not finished going through all of it and I have spent hours and hours and hours going through it of pages and pages but there so you've heard about a a website that will be 2001 it's been removed and everything it was called love is respect.org it was put in there as um if you want more information because they do play videos there's there's a video that plays and it would it would prompt kids if you want more information go to the lovers respect.org what was in that it was you go inside there immediately pops up you can still go to it now and and check it out it pops up hey kids you know if you need to minimize your screen you click right here and we will minimize your screen for you just so you know someone might be monitoring what you're watching here's how to clear your cookies things like that you go through that it takes you on to um other you can just you can just snowballs um you can get information on where to get your transition surgery you can get free binders well no but this is again it's kind of just showing you like the popups it's a slippery like there's some slippery slope access this is 1 of those things and I'm sorry I don't know if you but um the great thing about it is that website is not in that curriculum it's not anymore but are there Lynx is their access for kids know they actually because it caused so much of an uprising they removed their Affiliates but it just shows again you know it's 1 of those things you send your children to Caesar don't surprised when they come back romance okay so that that's what I'm just pointing out here but so that anyways it gets really crazy that was wild it came out they addressed it most recently on October 17th they came out with another update specifically for Texas because we had a legislative session this last year and that involved how we talk about gender and so Texas had to be altered recently on October 17th they acknowledged that there's a whole there's a whole list of things that they had to change during and again this is during something that is part of a program that we actually don't have we don't it's a bowling it's a add-on package you can have um but they but it's a another acknowledgement that even now as of recently they were still pushing stuff that they had to remove all their lgbtq stats in it and things like that but let me take a moment just to talk about what I actually saw when I looked into this through the lens of committee for children right um because again on service level everything is very prosthetic and nice okay so um 1 of the things that I noticed is there's a lot of social exceptions and influence kids are over and over again sharing personal experiences about themselves and others often kids are told to give thumbs up if you agree pure acceptance is pushed and put on display with games sharing personal feelings and experiences always having peers weighing in about what other peers are doing and if they agree don't agree or a surprised again they're very you know it's all about a very heavy all the advisory activities all of the games are sharing what a bully did to you what I mean it's just a very it's it's a lot um images is um females especially in the sixth grade course which is not what the sixth graders are actually getting but we have it and that's being worked in by the tiger time which is whoever teacher is their home teacher right um the um females are often disheveled looking in appearance and gender neutral clothing doing activities like skateboarding basketball rock climbing playing video games and even wood woodworking for example um seventh grade also was less was less obvious in an attempt to defeat girls but it does have a cheerleader but she is depicted in a scene she's very angry she's very ugly now looking through the lens of promoting affirming spaces like committee for children wants I wonder if these images are there for a reason um and did you say this is in the bullying unit know this is what we currently have now okay so any every everything else is for now what was that was that I'm taking this is 6 this is sixth grade um units there's 4 units in there oh what lesson was it sorry I'm looking at that I just like the the individual lesson like which number yes ma'am I don't have I have like pages and pages and pages but if you just flip through like the watch the videos those are that's what I'm referring to is the imagery on the slides that are on the slides so just in general the imagery is sort of manipulative I mean or suggestive or whatever for you way I a sixth grade girls are often very I mean I mean I love girl power like yes girls can do anything they've watched it I mean have you noticed anything like that no but I also wasn't looking at it from that perspective does that make sense like you weren't expecting yeah I wasn't I don't want to say looking for it but I like wasn't thinking about the committee for children while I was watching it so I have watched these and I have gone through a lot of them and um I just didn't take out to me but again I wasn't looking through that lens so absolutely and I and that is the lens that I'm I'm looking at when I'm going through this like how can this be manipulated if anybody needs to go this is we were not I was not expecting that we would be at this point right um so if you need to have proper films here I'm sorry we've got uh first grade play tonight so um thank you so I'm just going to read through these really fast I won't talk anymore about them I'm just going to read it off to what I found okay um oppression is allowed through females as they do support images of girls wearing jobs I think it's how you say it and at 1 point an example of a book drive for preschoolers suggest getting a book about a job written by an Islamic actor a job where you saying job job Islamic head wrap um other images include kids holding up signs on the earth and recycling symbols and protest non-binary characters where it looks like a boy that has pink hair and a feminine hat uh 1 boy is interviewed as being free to be himself and is clearly wearing heavy eye makeup um parents um parents are hardly ever mentioned as a support person children are guided to peers teach coaches siblings books media movies the internet music and meditation for support parents are seen as obstacles 1 lesson is about having to do chores or skateboarding or a fight which I'll call the parent a name and they lost their phone privileges dining principles guiding principles that you all have a a paper on that kind of shows you what they are are introduced through the introduction of Shalom Schultz to kids um he interviewed thousands around the world to discover the top 10 guiding principles of how people kids are told because I'm like who is this guy you know they're telling them about how great this guy is so I start reaching researching him kids are told over and over there's no right or wrong way for what they feel is their guiding principles they're pushed to share their feelings in the class with presentations and games in front of peers with constant peer input on their choices leading to reflection to promote constant prompts on if they have changed their minds Schwarz acknowledges and interviews that he had created a mousetrap that could be used to manipulate people but does not but does support it when companies using his work to support human rights issues and climate change the NIH even did a study on his work being used for manipulation as well um some families may find concern with some values being affirmed in kids for example I'm going to say this wrong too my husband kept trying to tell me Hedonism Hedonism I thought it was even you didn't even which prior by which which prior prioritizes excuse me 1's own pleasure this could go again some parents values it should be noted that Schwarz did consider religion for his top 10 but didn't include it as there was no 1 universal religion tradition is cited as a possible placeholder but for second step tradition is shown because you know obviously in they can't talk about religion is shown as a child making food with a grandparent activism committee for children does not hide online at all that they want children that they want to create children activists things like the best way to predict the future is to create and how are you going to show up to the world as told the kids this is taught over and over in multiple activities images and stories from images of kids protesting a story about helping a bird even if it meant getting in trouble by missing school due to following their own guiding principles and many activities were kids are encouraged to make change examples are given in activism they like petitioning voting printing out flyers sharing on social media um how to present uh to others formerly how to delegate tasks and deadlines for uh group Outreach and activism teachers are told to provide resources which depending on the teacher I'm sure everybody at true Middle School is wonderful but you never know who's going to be in in their 5 years from now which opens up the door to anything and during a book Drive encourages to give Islamic material teaching concerns after speaking with Mrs  I was told that some Second Step lessons would be worked into tiger Time by teachers several lessons have warnings to teachers that topics could lead to students talking about sensitive topics in 1 Zoom I watched a panelist warn that talking about racial trauma to be careful um to not just see children as a trauma as I can actually create additional oppression our tiger time teachers equipped to be counseling and coaching kids through these topics that might come up in conclusion I did find topics like goal setting and learning the science of the brain interesting and informative Second Step does check off all the boxes to meet the requirements critiques as well but the curriculum in my opinion is built to be easily manipulated and misused to create lgbtq affirming faces and pressure to kids to conform and become future at that antifa but um while buying a uml curriculum to teach character traits is not required um I do think that um if they The Troop does find it necessarily necessary I believe troops should find a different 1 and thoroughly vent it um that's just my take on it and I have only I still have hours to go through and I'm probably going to go through all the elementary stuff too they have access do it right now and I'm curious what's in there um in case I ever know anybody who is going to be uh going through that so anyways that is um that's it for social for the social emotional portion I don't know if other members want to take a look at it or if we want to vote on anything now as far as a recommendation to the school board um the school board uh recently I had I have been speaking on it um the last few months with my concerns the school board and the school board did go ahead and pass it for now um but they are under the impression that we're reviewing it so with everything that's been shared from me and from them do we want to look for a do we recommend them looking for a different 1 or do we want to finish off the year with this 1 and think about it next year um starting fresh or do we want to keep what's in place right now sorry 1 more question can this be like you guys were talking about where it's like the bones and then you add the meat can this be adjusted per teacher or per counselor or how do they just have to teach it straight ahead so that that is a very good question and I I will say that there are things if we've got recommendations for specific lessons that we might need to take out we can do that type of stuff to kind of make it our own if that makes sense oh yeah so that it's not you know suggestive um we do have pretty regular conversations to about you know like location pushing you know your beliefs on other people and stuff like that you know we typically don't do that again we defer a lot to parents and stuff like that um with with these types of things too so um yeah there's some concerns that exist for that and we need to look at pulling out for this um you know that's fine if we want to do that and you know continue using this for the year because I do I would like to make sure that we're using our finances you know efficiently effectively if that makes sense because we've already purchased this for the year um and then you know we can kind of look into another program or something like that in the future that's definitely an option that exists um you know I think the prospective and purview you know um that we place on these lessons you know from uh our standpoint as adults in in the classroom you know I I do I will say that I I do have a lot of uh faith and and Trust in our teachers also here you know 1 of the beautiful things I think that exists here at troop is you don't have a lot of teachers that change jobs and stuff like that year to year to year so you you 530 and 40 staff members in our district that you're trying to hire so you know most every 1 of the teachers on the middle school campus I've worked here for them the 9 years that I've been here at troops so um anyway there's a lot of different options that we can kind of take a look at with this and you know if you guys are um you know want to want to come in instead of looking at the access code you can uh view the program through that access code but we also have printouts of the individual lessons too at the school and you guys are more than welcome to come up to the middle school and hang out with us for a little bit and if you want to sit in the conference room and look some of that stuff yourself and see it in person and I want to welcome to do that too um I would just say you know maybe that's the best Band-Aid but then um because there there is some a little bit to your point about you know do I want my kids so concerned about what everybody else in thinks that is he's doing right or wrong or whatever not really right tune that out right so there's some of that hey look to your peers for support and experience and that kind of stuff so we may be able to cherry pick some of that out yeah and just get through it yeah and if we're trying to advocate for Parental involvement maybe we do something you know where Miss Kun was talking about how she didn't know her son had gone through it like maybe there's notifications that could go out to the parents or something so that they are aware of what's happening and that kind of helps because then you have that conversation when your kids come home right like oh you learned about so today like what what did you think you know yeah absolutely um and it kind of pushes more parental very very close to therapy which is kind of concerning because it's like healthcare and you're like do you have a doctor or medical license or some kind of training to do this you know and so you want to kind of stay in the well and and that's kind of what you know that's kind of 1 of the things that I had issue with 2 was like you know I've got you know a it could be a it could be a history teacher it could be a science teacher it could be uh someone who's just filling in for math applications you know and that's their tiger I don't you know I don't know who it is that's going to be interesting repeating this for my children and when I went to you know and this is all this is just a little side note too and when I went to the open house to meet my my children's teachers half of them were not even there because they were coaching you know and I felt that really disappointed because it was that the only time to get to know who is going to be in front of my children so I mean I love that you have a lot of faith in your staff and you should as a principal absolutely I know my personal experience is and I'm not going to judge people's through things but um back down things that I brought forth to the school board that had been stopped immediately because they weren't appropriate and I and I found that out through going through what was being taught to my children so you know I think that there's I'm just that type of I mean I'm sorry that's just that's just me I I yeah you can I their their minds are so unbelievably fragile right now so um but I do think you know a lot of the peer feedback is during the advisory activities that we got with this um that's also over a lot of the activism comes from too so maybe reading those out for right now to finish off here we have another round of you know just the shack people to figure out what we want to get in and out or whatever we only need 4 times a year and so our next meeting is going to be after the holidays will be in February okay um you know so but I mean we can always come is there something should we maybe have some homework to on for the next meeting or yeah absolutely yeah because I guess you're looking to try to figure out how to get this situation handled for this year so by law we have to teach those takes uh we don't have a created curriculum to cover that uh right now only thing that we have to implement is this right here okay so by law we have to provide that to the students and so um you know that that's kind of so if we start removing things we might not be hitting those cheeks it's kind of what you're saying for this the other thing that we would have to take a look at too and our addressing that in a situation as well you know cuz I mean I'm sure there are probably some things that we're going to have to really bet another program pretty well too because there's probably going to be similar components that exist across the board and other is this a program that gets purchased every year like repurchase when would you look at repurchasing or when typically I've got to go back and look I think this program is on a rotation I think it was done in April or May but I'll go back and get that so you would have to know what you want to purchase for the next year here well just because there's a lot on the agenda and in the interest of time I would say I would make a motion I guess it would be that do your homework as a Comm as individuals you know maybe go out and seek out and and go through some things and then we when we come back for the next meeting we can kind of present like hey I found this 1 that I thought would be really good and then because all we can do as a committee is is is suggest to the school board and whatever I think there's some really good points that that got brought up but I think moving forward you just got to find different programs and make it easy enough for them to make it easy for them to do and that's the thing I always really appreciate appreciate about you Rick is like you have a problem you need a solution to back it up and I do have a list of stuff that is more in line with probably the values of this area um that have been more vetted so maybe we'll help you look at it yeah so so over the next 2 months I can get that stuff to you so that in February when we come back we can have kind of an idea of you know what we want to propose to the to the and then where the school board has time yeah to take a look at it and move forward and talk to you guys as principals and whatever and then make a decision on what they would like to do and move forward from that and then this year we can still meet our requirements for cheeks and everything like that I've already purchased it we'll just finish it through but then have something to consider later on okay so how do we want to make this motion I I move that we into talk about this like on table it and then come back in February and present some actual options other than just I mean just in other than dogging on this program let's find some programs that we like and then use that to suggest to the school board so okay I make a motion to take it for now okay sounds good second second second and you can't second because you're not members yet so sorry but I love it next time okay Haley second okay I'm going to okay if you have to leave please feel free you can leave um I know this is these next ones won't take that long hopefully this was ridiculously long it's never gone that long before thank you all thank you so much I appreciate you being here yes so you don't have to I mean did you sign in right here okay so if after this meeting you want to become a part of it um I will add you to the school the school board's agenda because law has had changed before we were we were able to appoint ourselves through the district um you'll get appointed through the next school board meeting um and so then if the next meeting when we actually make some decisions you'll be able to vote in on those as well yes absolutely can we jump to mine so I can go you got to go to work I'm like an hour late I'm so oh my goodness I'm so so sorry um okay we're going to jump to item number 9 which is to to talk about the free lunch program Gail was so kind she came to the school board meeting um last month and she spoke about a program that um you know that is going to be it makes it so it looks like true qualify um for kids to receive free lunches the whole entire school but um the application for that is in March and so she found some information on it she wanted to share I did I did find some stuff and I'm hoping that y'all take this and run I do not have any children in school so free lunches is not really relevant to me but I I I talked for 15 years I do understand that a hungry child is not focused and cannot learn so um to determine if the school can can be considered for this program you have to have 2 years ago you had to have 40 see it on some kind of state government after coid and after all of that and they do everything kind of went back to normal they dropped that percentage to 25% so truth makes it 25% we have 34.63% of our students are on some kind of government so what that means is in order to figure out what the reimbursement is because it's not 100% reimbursement we get reimbursed for 55.41% of what we spend on food so that means that the school has to pick up 44.59% now I don't know I I have children I have grandchildren that are in sports I do know that they get fed after out of town games I don't know of the school pays for that or if it's fundraisers or okay well I know it's not all parents because my know I know that some of my kids that have ate has not their parent did not send money with them so some of the parents kick in a little extra that's just not it's not required but they just they say you can they ask for like 12 dollars and I know I just said I don't want my change on my 20 right I think they're just well I I know there's concession stands that each group can do that raises money and I know cheerleaders do fundraisers um band does a couple of fundraisers yeah just to speak to that so essentially the way a lot of that works is we have these Student Activity accounts they're a fiduciary account and agency fund that we keep track of but it is uh spent um by those groups and they can elect to spend those how they want as long as they raise those funds through fundraiser um those sort of things okay and I I I know they all did specific fundraisers and I knew some of it went towards the food but I didn't know the school but anything and with that I have to look it depends on the grouping um I'll I'll look back at Advanced specifically well as we say because I know band has like 3 Fund Raisers their band card um the silent auction that they're gonna have on their concert and then they have uh transitions today concession stand yeah but they also go on a trip every 2 years at Florida to Florida so that's what a lot of their fundraising goes to yes that will be the majority I know they did too because out of all the out of town games they got pizza bought and brought to them yeah and they get allocated certain amounts and and essentially you do for certain criteria you've got to keep these kids and so I would just have to look I don't remember off the top of my head where those which fund number those run through once I look that up let me just say I'm I'm not saying we should not those kids should not eat I I am by no means saying that but I'm saying first graders should be granted a free lunch in a free uh uh dinner lunch and breakfast absolutely because if it's free for every child because I have a grandson he's in fifth grade now at 4 dollars a w it's killing us killing his parents he eats a lunch he eats another lunch his trend is still hungry he gets another lunch and gives to his friend because we want him to be compassionate and care about other people we do not say anything about that we allow that he just gets but we went up when it could be free I don't know where the money would come from from the school but I know the option is there I also know that art I've been told arthas self sustaining they feed their students they feed their staff and nobody has to pay for anything and so I'm not exactly sure how they're doing that now on thanks yes sir just could you tell us what the budget like how much do we spend on food for example like what she's talking about how how kind of money are we talking about I would have to look at that specifically Services is a 770,000 56 dollars now I feel like that's to pay employees and everything that's not just I would be curious to see just a very yeah School nutrition operates as anything in a district operates as a not for profit so any of these prices or anything are so that we can break right um do you mind if I touch on on a few of the things if if I can wait till you're done if you're still going I don't mean to step in know it it doesn't that's pretty much it now I I did go to Thanksgiving lunch to eat with Branch out we went to take something to a a care card I think is where you can put milk or something that hasn't been opened for someone else wants it so we went to place something back there and while we while I was waiting on him to do that I was standing close to who were the kids pay for their food and there was a parent there and her child did not have any food and so the parent said I just put $75 on her account and she says well it'll take about 10 minutes well they only get 30 minutes to eat anyway it'll take about 10 minutes to hit and she said then let her be negative for 10 minutes and let her get her food and and so we can eat and the lunch lady said I cannot do that this system will not let me let her have food so she couldn't have her food because a parent didn't put the money on their own time and my thought was we had free food they'd be sitting down enjoying their Thanksgiving lunch instead of the mom being aggravated because she just put 75 bucks on there but the kids still can't eat yeah and so and sorry this system  that y'all have adopted I mean last year system was much better put money on it you've seen it immediately at hit immediately and now they're told up to up to 24 hours so issues with the new 1 yeah the new 1 but put money on it it is hard to put money but my son tells me that if you don't even if you don't have any money in your account they can still get food yes so that's kind of what I wanted to touch on so my child you can go up to ten dollars negative and then you don't get the protein if your child is over that well you you just to some degree um I'll touch on that real quick so essentially the 33% of identified students that come through um that plan where they're telling us we can be uh qualified for that um there's several different uh guidance um given from the food research and action center as well as get hungry project um and they recommend to start to break even you really have to be they recommend above a 60% identified student ratio at at 69% it is a break it it's paid for 100% is 62.5% really the research I had since 69.1 but somewhere after 65% after 65 so if you get below that the district starts to the district will start to eat a little bit more and more into that and so what I've done this past month is kind of dive into that a little bit more we've reached out to region 7 as well to get an independent analysis from them um specifically for the month of October just because that's a month where we don't have spring break or a lot of breaks like that coming through um with their analysis it showed us losing 28,000 a month um in that's just something we couldn't eat uh so I did another analysis because they didn't improve um meal counts based off of all the free meals that would be given so I jumped our numbers up to a 90% participation rate um for the students for lunch as well as a 50% for breakfast just because a lot of these kids still aren't going to come in for breakfast if it's free um and I still show us losing a significant amount of money there there there was when the breakfast was free the with the co area and all that and the breakfast was free and then when you started charging breakfast was there not a drop in students that came in at 8 oh absolutely there would be but right now I I would expect that number to be far less than 50% of kids eating breakfast uh paid for and then with the I still think maybe 1 out of 2 kids might have it but I I played with the numbers a lot of different ways to see what it would take in 90% participation in 50% for breakfast that gives us a revenue that's uh in keep with what we're receiving now so between our paid meals and our free and reduced reimbursements we got about 64,000 uh for the month of October um in in 90% 50% that's the revenue we would receive off of those kids however it costs about $2.42 uh per meal for lunch for us to produce those for the children um in a $1.60 and change for breakfast so it actually increases our expense Miniatures not including things like plates uh napkins machines wearing out additionally um facets like that now what we are able to provide these kids is it stands because we agree we we don't want kids aren't going to learn if they're is there any way we could do something like free maybe just free lunch not free breakfast or vice versa just just something yeah just 1 of them not so many days a week but at that percentage you still would not you would still be losing a significant it's like a quarter of a million dollars right that would be losing over that's exactly right so where's that money going to come from we are eating money right now to feed these kids so so what we do is the identified uh the 33% those kids are considered direct certified so their kids whose family are a part of snap or there's another uh another thing called TANF I believe is what it's how it's pronounced those kids are automatically identified in the school district and they were given free lunches for the year um in in meals I believe breakfast is the same way they get free breakfast as much as they want we also um are getting that for our reduced kids so those are people who or filling out applications in some of the free kids are too right now that are above that 33% they can go in and put in an application and say hey this is what I make um I can't pay for this and depending on how much they do late uh they were either considered free or reduced and right now the government has it set up to where uh they don't pay anything either uh before that they were paying 40 cents for lunch 30 cents for breakfast they're paying nothing at this um like you were saying they can go up to a negative 10 balance however after that they're still giving an alternate Mill um and it consists of it it's a meat alternate is what it's called it's like a cheese yogurt we're kind of the descriptions I were given I was given vegetables fruit grain and milk so if they're giving 5 different food group options and they have to take at least 3 of those but they can take all 5 of those uh is is my understanding speaking with our school nutrition okay so if we can't afford to possibly reimburse for lunches and breakfast then get it how do we pay for that how do we pay for what you're offering them when they've hit a ten dollar limit right now they they charged they're still charged for that food when they go through that line they're charged for it the regular price and they're getting they're getting the I mean now they're not because we ran into a deal there there's people we didn't want to embarrass No 1 we didn't want anybody in that and so they're getting a meal there and being charged for that and that's when you get the the notice or whatever the calls in the old twenty 5 dollars a year old thirty dollars or so could I just ask cuz you had a specific situation with that student that was needing you know minutes from your grandson and so with with that person theoretically have been on a program to get a meal I mean yeah more more than likely yeah and they just they're just not getting it for whatever reason or yeah and you know it could be a a sense of Pride you know you I completely understand you know a child's feeling embarrassing we make they're all free lunches he gets the regular lunch I don't know if you've paid any attention to the amount of food that them children get and there's some big kids in fifth grade right they're just not getting full I mean you know my son gets 2 lunches but that's fine whenever he gets I remember those days yeah later I'm like and I know that's all federally mandated but is their waste in our system do we do does capture your full weight any food at the end of the day why occasionally that's a great idea it is it is cooled down if there's leftover it's cooled down reused put in hot boxes oh okay um until it's finally it's still out when it's not no longer yes can I can I ask a question I had heard that at the high school that there had been issues with it being the freezer dying out because it had been so packed with old food is that is that is there any no none of that but the employees are dying yeah yeah or the refrigeration was having issues because it was so full of old food that was years expired no none of that okay okay well I I I'm sorry I do have to go supposed to be at work an hour ago um I do I do want to leave with this thought I I understand that it's a tremendous amount the truth would have to come up with that the school would have to come up with and it would have to come from other programs other programs would have to look at a loss for the equal out to a zero balance I I understand all that but you are asking this town and y'all will ask again the board will ask again for a bond for improvements I think people would be much more receptive if you're saying we're feeding your children we're taking we are having to put money into this program but we are feeding your children breakfast and lunch because I'm sorry as a teacher 15 years I've seen kids that didn't get to eat but breakfast and lunch and it's it's really important that they get to eat I mean it's just really something that's ornament and I raised money every year and I turned it in every year whatever we get but I don't like my money going to pay back charges because Mom couldn't be bothered to come and pay for it because that's not fair to the kids that need it so so I just think that you should look at what it would look like to this town that you're going to have to support a body absolutely but I do have to go I do appreciate your input thank you I appreciate it come by my office anytime you know I may I may do that when I bring in the next set of money and see what's going on and somebody can maybe talk to Art because they are self-sufficient I contacted them several times uh as well as Preston I believe but um I cannot Target for your explanation as to how they were paying for it um and how they were making it profitable and so uh I'm I'll keep I'll be contacting them um they're I know they're paying for their uh staffed and beats the um people working lunch and things like that they're paying that out of fund balance so they're the dis their taxpayers are kind of basically do you know what their fund balance I never looked at theirs what do you know what their flood balance is I'm did theirs I have to take a look because I know what ours is and it may not be apples apples I mean maybe you guys are buying quality stuff and maybe they're buying less quality stuff you know that's that's 1 spot um depending on what you get your price for a meal to you um you can begin to make it more profitable it their percentage though I just from my uh calculations and stuff I cannot figure out how to make that uh a profitable Venture um but we do feel adamantly that these kids should be keeping us financially on point the our fund balance is so high for capital projects in the future it there is 5 million of that year mark and so um that that's kind of why that fund balance is there right now I know we did have last year a change for the supplier for me for the school do we know if the supplier that we got is was comparable in costs did did we incur increasing costs to provide this new meat or did it go down I mean I can't speak to that specifically but they do look very closely at devices to keep that cost is effective as possible yeah the local food Grant I believe it is um and we were seeing a lot of uh grant funding and so that's another portion that could help to have made them sustainable last year because a lot of it inspired this past year so in the in the grand I mean there were certain people you could buy from you can buy you just couldn't buy from everybody so you have to buy from those that was item 9 that was item 9 I'll make a motion that we suggest to the school board that they explore the free lunch program okay I like that is there a second and yeah check yeah figuring out what ARP is is doing with be good to know um okay uh all those in favor you say I okay anyone opposed no 1's opposed to asking the school board on the Shaq to explore figuring out how we can get free lunch um um okay the well back go back up item number 7 is the opt-in for the counseling form um there's a copy of that in your packet as well everybody was given this at the beginning well not really the beginning of a year but fairly early into the Year this is new um this isn't this is part of a new law um it's sb12 that makes it so that parents need to give consent um to counseling for their children um 1 of the things that I noticed business was that um we just talked about we just talked about uh Second Step and you heard over and over that this is uh a counseling you know in here um this second step whatever the social emotional learning is put in here as classroom guidance lessons down at the bottom you'll notice that that is not an option you can opt out of um Texas law does allow um does allow for parents to opt out and in fact I've spoken to the person who was in development of sb12 and social emotional learning was part of why sb12 has that in there um and I can confirm too um that other schools are getting families the option to opt out in Texas as as part of your parental rights you're able to opt out of anything that goes against your moral or religious beliefs um as long as there's not as long as it's not graded thing and social emotional learning brain is not graded um but I noticed that our form here at troop didn't have that um they run everything through tabs and that is a that is their attorney um you know for whatever reason reason the way they're interpreting things that maybe at this point they're not feeling that parents need to be able to opt out um you know if someone earlier had mentioned that more transparency on you know how parents can view what their kids are going to be viewing um if you read the classroom guidance lessons here too it says um I visit the classrooms regularly to teach lessons on important topics that support students personal and social development this year's curriculum includes but is not limited to you know um it's very its kind of vague you know like you don't you don't know that this is second step or that this is you know it is what it is but we can opt out of it so what's I guess what's the issue so basically you can't opt out of it down below it gives you only the option to opt in or opt out of the small or the or the individual counts so for me I never turned to my paperwork because I didn't want I didn't I didn't want it and my kids are still getting it to the form I'm I'm I'm asking the shack if that's something that us as as parents want to add into that form for next absolutely yes I agree with that emotions are clarifying for the board okay absolutely so William May's uh motion visor a second second okay can you leave second all those in favor I all those against not hearing any of that motion passes to uh clarify and give parents the option to catch on actually I overlooked that myself well done um in fact I actually um 1 of the kids I did send it in and I said no no to everything and then I said tell me what this is and I never heard back so um and then the other kid I didn't I didn't turn in anything and I thought what are they going to do and he's just you you know so because it doesn't I mean anyways all right so that was uh what was that okay done done the restroom policy that I had a parent um that was talking to me about an issue of their child soiling themselves it was all over social media I asked then they wanted to speak at the shack they had they canceled I asked the principal at the elementary if she wanted to send a representative that could speak on restroom policy she didn't come so so I'm going to make the motion that we table that uh can I actually have a situation I did a grievance yeah we can talk oh really okay on that note because they were giving them passes right and you're sending fifth grade to write my son to they're in the yes yes so they were giving them passes right and he's like every day you get the cars like dead I'm almost out of my passes cuz I'm giving them a jug of water he played baseball so I'm like I wanted to see that you're drinking this water right when you're at school and so it's a military thing so like you check the canteen how much your kids drinking the other day and so he's like I've got to stop drinking so much water because I I'm going to run out of passes and then I can't go to the bathroom and so uh that happened he ran out of passes oh no his last pass he actually tried to use it and she said well we only have like so many minutes in class so I know you can't use that right now and he's like Dad I almost went on myself so I had to do a grievance now fortunately we've got good leadership and people that really care so once I got escalated you know misprinted and they were like yeah that's gone so to my knowledge I think they sort of thrown that whole policy out they still have it oh they do my son still has it and it's like it's you know in his little board ya his little you know whatever it was across the board we receive all kinds of information from other fifth grade classes too there was and that's not but it seems like fifth grade directly and parents where they said that they're doing it so it's you know they have that little thing and they let them go to the bathroom whenever and then outside of when they've taken a class break they get 3 like per 9 weeks and it gets crossed off every time so that's crazy like if we're trying to prepare the kids for the real world when at work you can go to the bathroom when you like this is silly the situation letting a kid actually use Rush among themselves at school humility that's unacceptable so yeah if if I don't know if that's specific to fifth grade because my fourth grader does not have that same policy maybe just fifth grade was being too rambunctious in the hallways or something great they had to put passes too no my understanding is there's no issue in middle school with it for whatever I don't know if they're they get more breaks there because they're they're only in the classroom I guess what 55 minutes or something so they're they've got a he has a lot of classes there's transitioning to throughout the day so seventh grade but I can only speak to seventh grade right I know in sixth they still had the passes and he would complain really you know um so what do you suggest we do about it uh well also in third grade I had to have my child removed to somebody else's class um over restroom issues as well um the extra week Chase classes this year because of that because we he was going to she just did not catch her she did not care his his situation I was like there's no concern on her face it's a little boy's 10 he's saying I'm about to go to the restroom of myself and he's a good kid gets to so like just let him go yeah my son was 9 years old and um he had been you know in the past he had been sick he was told to grab a trash can and take it to a desk if you wanted to vomit I thought that was inappropriate then later on I Venom to school the day after Halloween and he was not feeling well I thought maybe it's a tummy ache but um I because of that situation I messaged that teacher and I said please let him use the restroom if he needs to he's been not feeling well well he ended up getting sick at school he asked if he could go she said no he begged her she said fine you can go but you're going to only lapse well he ended up going to the bathroom got sick in there I went to the nurse's office she calls me she's like this isn't just tummy aches from stomach you know from candy it's you know he's got a bug he's been he can't get off the toilet you know and so um well then when he went back to class because I had to keep him out for 24 hours or whatever I come and pick him up he went back to class she made him walk those laps and so I was mad and because I was like this is the health of this of you know my child so I did have him move to another class over that but um I'm just wondering why you're sending your kid to school sick well it was the day you can see he's going to get my kid I I this was this was the day after Halloween and he had we don't do guys we're really like you know and on Halloween I let him go you know this is your night get it out and he went crazy and so when he's you know saying you've got a Tommy you're not feeling well I'm like you got a candy hangover but it turned out not to be the case so but typically I would keep them home I don't it's like that weekend yeah I know it was me not playing I wonder if I don't even know yeah I wonder if that's a recommendation then that we can make to you know the admin staff that you know this needs to be reviewed yeah yeah I was really curious if there was a restroom policy in place was what I was and if it is I would say that I mean that's damaging emotionally and socially at that age to go to the and the the child maybe they just they pacify this by telling us it was over with but I make a motion that the shack asks the school board to review their restroom policy and uh possibly update it or or make 1 if there is not sure if they could provide yeah like an example yeah yeah like just keep it if there's no support or what is the structure or what is the policy so these you know kids know what to expect and if it's just the same across like because it definitely varies within the grade level on the classroom yeah yeah okay so uh like made the motion to review the restroom policy and what like and review it and if there is not 1 generally make 1 that applies and if they could provide that the parents would be existing policy right right can we don't even always know like you guys are telling him oh don't pay attention and I'm telling my son like well I guess that's what the you know make sure you go when she offers it then you know I'm telling my kids to drink as much as he possibly can because I really don't care about the rest of that stuff 5 minutes Less in class is not going to change much but you know does anybody second my motion oh 1 second yeah okay Megan it's good sorry I was just saying we had our 5-year-old but this it's been probably a month ago p is pants on the playground because now there's issues with him but he said he told the teacher had to go and she said well we're not going inside now everybody's outside so you have to stay out here and so he paid his pants in I thought about it I said just go to the corner and eat I don't care don't hear your hands right they tell you now they can deal with me I'm going to do it exactly that's what literally just nope too bad so sad so it keeps pants this particular parent um when I spoke to her their child it was older and was told uh during PE they were playing outside that they couldn't go back inside to use the restroom they say you cannot go back inside they ended up soiling themselves and an old you know I mean we're talking an old an older child and then when they came to have lunch with them because as things get the Thanksgiving lunch is when they had found out and their child was still like you know so they were like we're we're going we're going to go change you were taking you know like they were really upset about it yeah um you know and I and I appreciate her speaking with me and everything like that um and I'm you know I wish you would be here today but at the same time like she's also probably trying to protect her privacy of her child from you know obviously we're recording stuff and things like that so I'm glad that we are talking about it even if we don't because I was just going to kind of just motion or not you know yeah so um anyway so yeah we kind of have a game plan now so all those in of uh the restroom policy requesting that the Board review the restroom policy for us to to view it and if not to create 1 or get something in place do we have everyone say I I all those opposed okay that motion passes all right um number 10 is uh discuss and review attendance policy um I don't know really that much about it I know that there are updates um I provided the latest update that I heard from on the last Global means this is just a 10 this is this is really just about releasing kids from school and this wasn't actually finalized at the last school board meeting um um it was kind of lumped together with a whole bunch of other stuff um but this doesn't really I think what we need to to look at well did you want to speak on on yeah there's an agenda I see with like so our son would come home with a partner support and he might have 3 targets they get dropped off at the same time as my daughter my daughter's Progressive portal show 1012 parties so we're wondering what's going on because she'll go to the the cafe and have breakfast oh sure and she was told that if she put her backpack their first before she goes to breakfast that they'll know that she's there because they technically have until 8:00 even though that first like 10 minutes is whatever morning work but by the time she gets back yeah she's she has like crazy amounts of tardies and I was like yeah so this is I'm dropping you off I'm watching you she's to eat um she's getting marked which is fine if that's the policy across the board but it's not because our son is not and he's also going to have and it's very so breakfast is so unbelievably important and we did see a huge drop off when it came out of you know they used to deliver it into their classroom with almost every kid age you know and then when they took it out it dropped quite a bit and so you know you do want to make sure that the kids are being able to get that time to eat and not be penalized for it um so I wish or whatever the attendance policy is or whatever you know if they don't actually get that 10 minutes if they have to be in their desk it just needs to be made clear to everybody because you now we can leave 10 minutes earlier or she can eat breakfast at home whatever the case is it just you know what is the policy and is that being made clear to parents okay and in relation to you know the cafeteria times okay yeah absolutely well I can definitely do is really not a problem though no do you know I'm like pick him up at 10:01 he made she feel bad for coming in we don't want to be disruptive but at the end of the day it's harder yeah um no I don't think it's like stressing her other than I'm just wondering where are you going when I'm watching you both walk into the building together and like why do you have 17 yards and you don't like and there's people no I don't know something that school districts employed to try to modify Behavior so that you know kids will come as early as possible for the lesson not be disruptive or whatever yeah so State Statewide uh Statewide is not a problem well I can definitely reach out to school and just see I mean because I just don't know you know we don't know how does that how does that work why does 1 have more than the other we get to decide or what the time frame is there before yeah what is the attendance policy that would be great okay yeah I can definitely um look into that and and reach out um during our last uh Shaq meeting uh we had someone who had reached out um and had talked about the you know they they had concerns over the mold and the science science Wing supposedly um and then you know later on during um some of the bond stuff we saw that there was supposedly mold also um at the elementary school that was causing children to have respiratory issues and all kinds of things and so um we were already kind of looking at mold to begin with but um Mr Lindsay you've already investigated that you've hired people to come in and do testing since all of this right is that what you're saying when we first heard any concern about it we had ERI consultant uh out of town or to come in and to day sample to and went through every 1 of our buildings and they found no way of a death of black mold it worked in any of our facilities there was some you know mold spores and stuff in the high school and and every 1 of them had mold spores just from the humidity sure there was more mold spores outside than there was right you know I mean and we were in a very high mold situation when all of that would be intested even but there is a ring there was no evidence of a black well I appreciate you taking the initiative to get it all checked out and doing that um peace of mind thank you you know we we check air quality um you know regularly in our facilities any any concern that we hear we take it seriously and investigate it and see what the if we do have problems and how to remedy those problems well Preston I just really appreciate everything that you do I listened to all the you know I sit in all the school board meetings and I see how busy you are and all this all the stuff that you're handling so I appreciate you taking time to to address that as well thank you um okay I'm I'm going to try to go through this last little bit just for just a second um this is an update on the shack projects right now um on the last Shack meeting we were um we're we're working on creating emergency backpacks um so that in case there's um an event where they need to evacuate quickly uh teachers have a roster in there they might have a couple snacks they might have some playing cards just something that they can grab and get out of the classroom without trying to gather things um because when you evacuate you're taking to a like a relocation um a reunification area and with that um they could be waiting until parents can come and get their children so just just something that that parents can easily grab um the update with that is the school Mr Taz provided all the bags for it they bought and because we were going to use leftover like backpacks but then that kind of brought in like that might cause confusion if a chaos you know or the sub so now they've they've went ahead they ordered for the entire District um bags but all of the same so that then when they're showing teachers they all have the same go bag basically and so us as the shack what we'll end up doing now that these bags have been ordered is we're going to be doing you know some the Outreach to see how we can get people to help fill those bags for us um 1 of the other things that we're working towards is the watch your back program which is going to be um a drunk driving simulator or some sort of thing right before prom uh we had motion to keep pursuing that I have kind of dropped the ball on it I've been really busy so I I'm going to try my best to to get in there and I when I last talked to them they still had availability so I just need to finalize dates um we have an Internet safety and cell phone safety um presentation tonight that is happening over at the high school auditorium I reached out to 9 different districts and 3 of them White House art and Jacksonville all shared that information with all of their parents as well to invite them to our presentation that we're doing tonight that starts at 6:30 um if you haven't had enough Shack I don't know I have no idea what the response is going to be from the community I've tried sharing it on social media I because of the content that I share on social media my algorithm doesn't go very far with people so I um I don't know you know on the invite or the the RSVP thing or you know the the event that you share I have 3 people interested and 1 person going which is me so I might be the only person there so if you haven't had enough Shack please join me there um you probably didn't because I shared it I shared it on every single platform I could find for you know um Community groups I thought okay this is uh I got for the presenters it's the presenters are chief Brown she's absolutely amazing cares about the students Beyond anybody I just love her and then we also have um Miss Maria she is from Unbound um now which is um an advocacy service for children and women who have been traffic and so she's going to be speaking tonight on prevention for for so I got each 1 of them 1 of these is a thank you um we also in an attempt to try to build some um movement in this uh event we have 50 gift certificate that we're doing a raffle for we had 2 people enter into it but I wrote their name down a couple times would you please pull 1 out and I'll announce that to thank you that's probably the most honorable I've ever seen Gabriella Selenas we'll get a $50 gift certificate to Hometown Market and um that's I think it for right now for updates on where we are with the shack um is there anything else anybody would like to discuss at this point no okay good so with that we can adjourn I move to adjourn okay we got can I get a second okay so Rick motions maze William okay and all those in favor all those closed no 1 opposed please okay that's it thank you so much

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